Palantir CEO Slams Europe's AI Ambitions (businessinsider.com) 70
Palantir CEO Alex Karp criticized Europe's AI adoption while praising Saudi Arabia's engineering talent at Tuesday's Saudi-US Investment Forum in Riyadh. "It's like people have given up," Karp said of Europe, while commending Saudi engineers for their "meritocracy and patriotism" and "deep tradition in engineering excellence."
Yeah, sure ... (Score:5, Interesting)
Palantir CEO Slams Europe's AI Ambitions
This is what the US AI Demigod CEOs said about China: "The Chinese are ten years behind the US on AI and they will never catch ...", (Editor's note: At this point the US AI Bros all stopped talking and started screaming bloody murder when Deep Seek suddenly jumped up and bit them in the balls)
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Palantir CEO Slams Europe's AI Ambitions
This is what the US AI Demigod CEOs said about China: "The Chinese are ten years behind the US on AI and they will never catch ...", (Editor's note: At this point the US AI Bros all stopped talking and started screaming bloody murder when Deep Seek suddenly jumped up and bit them in the balls)
The thing is, and let me preface this with I'm pro-EU and anti-Brexit...
The EU generally gets things right, eventually. That last bit is important as it takes forever to get anything done if the EU is involved. Scopes change and bureaucracy must be served but generally you end up with a good solution if for no other reasons that it's taken so long to complete that everyone else has made the mistakes ahead of you.
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Palantir CEO Slams Europe's AI Ambitions
This is what the US AI Demigod CEOs said about China: "The Chinese are ten years behind the US on AI and they will never catch ...", (Editor's note: At this point the US AI Bros all stopped talking and started screaming bloody murder when Deep Seek suddenly jumped up and bit them in the balls)
The thing is, and let me preface this with I'm pro-EU and anti-Brexit...
The EU generally gets things right, eventually. That last bit is important as it takes forever to get anything done if the EU is involved. Scopes change and bureaucracy must be served but generally you end up with a good solution if for no other reasons that it's taken so long to complete that everyone else has made the mistakes ahead of you.
You have a point, but the EU isn't the only one that has a bureaucracy problem. The US, that often gets wheeled out as a poster boy for how to do this right, is also littered with mega-projects that have been delayed beyond all reason by bureaucracy and some of them are datacenters and related powerplant projects. What makes things move faster in China is, ironically, often the ability of corporations to run roughshod over the public with all the resultant illegal confiscation of common citizen's property,
Alex knows which ass to kiss (Score:5, Insightful)
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But they're taking away the homes of those poor rich white South Africans, says the US President, who banned all refugees except white South Africans.
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But they're taking away the homes of those poor rich white South Africans, says the US President, who banned all refugees except white South Africans.
The entire refugee situation is embarrassing for the US. Trump has said, "Farmers are being killed, they happen to be white, but whether they're white or black makes no difference to me" and has used the word "genocide." While it's true that South Africa did pass a controversial law that allows land seizures without compensation if the government determines that it's "equitable and in the public interest," no land has yet to be seized.
2+2=5, if you say it loudly, confidently, and repeatedly. We certainly
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The fact that you raise this:
Trump has said, "Farmers are being killed, they happen to be white, but whether they're white or black makes no difference to me" and has used the word "genocide."
to support this noise
While it's true that South Africa did pass a controversial law that allows land seizures without compensation if the government determines that it's "equitable and in the public interest," no land has yet to be seized.
Is enormously amusing and not a little bit racist.... which is just... top quality comedy. On all levels.
Good people. On both sides.
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Why the F* should he care about the US? He wasn't born here. He's a psychopath bent on having as much of it as he can for himself. All Billionaires are, really, or they wouldn't *be* Billionaires.
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Always amusing to see the braindead mouth-breathers comment on something they have zero clue about.
Education and critical thinking must cause them physical discomfort. Easier to spout baseless opinion as if it were fact.
Shem. Poor babies. Maybe a nap?
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Re: Alex knows which ass to kiss (Score:2)
How is this new? The only thing which has changed is that now out in the open.
Translation (Score:4, Insightful)
*stands up and wipes face* "I only praise people who give me lots of money. And Saudis are paying more" *kneels down and continues to lick ball-sack*
As a european, go to hell (Score:5, Insightful)
I am really tired of americans bullying europe into compliance. We don't want your products, we don't want your laws. Go to hell.
Re:As a european, go to hell (Score:5, Insightful)
Go to hell.
I think the Republicans' current plan is to make this country into hell, saving ourselves the trip.
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MAGAs hate civilization so much that they want to crash it so it becomes a toxic testosterone Mad Max so they can rape and pillage like Fox Jesus wants them to.
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Is Alex Karp a part of the administration?
Re:As a european, go to hell (Score:5, Informative)
Why not? All the Republicans in congress are either standing by watching or taking orders like good little vassals.
Re:As a european, go to hell (Score:4, Insightful)
I really wish Trump would just pull out of NATO and European defense commitments.
The US actually likes having airbases in Europe. I don't think you have thought this through.
Re:As a european, go to hell (Score:5, Insightful)
Leaving NATO would mean giving up Rammstein, Germany...
Do you hate your troops oversea that much?
Whenever overseas troops are wounded, first care is in that facility. Getting wounded in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, most of Asia, Rammstein is where they are shipped to. This increases the survival rate of troops significantly, because relatively fast accessible care. By giving up that facilities, wounded troops are not likely to survive trips back to the USA, simply because those take too long and because of distance a lot more expensive too.
Sure, you could counter with "drones are just as effective as ground troops" and in a lot of cases you might even be correct. Still more than enough cases where such a statement is factually wrong. Replacing skilled but wounded/incapacitated/fatally injured ground troops, that isn't cheap either. And it will hurt diplomatic privileges the USA has come to enjoy a lot. As well as intelligence gathering capabilities. Without enough intelligence, you'll end up with lots more wounded/incapacitated/fatally injured ground troops, wherever they happen to be deployed.
And there is a big problem that is hurting the Armed Forces of the USA. Skilled ground troops are harder and harder to replace, as the recruitment offices are already scraping the proverbial bottom of the barrel for years now. Whoever comes in are, more often than not too heavy, not athletic enough, too poorly educated and too corruptable, because of friends/family situations. Pentagon leadership is complaining already for years about this.
Why do I know? I was in the Dutch military service more than 20 years ago. And stationed on a temporary base there for an internationally acclaimed walking event. 4 days of walking 40 kilometers, in full gear, at marching speeds an a calculated maximum numbers of steps to do those 40 kilometers. Commanders from the US contingent on that base were already complaining way back then that they had trouble finding enough candidates willing to do this.
Extended my 1 year military draft service to 4 years as comms officer. During that time reading newsletters from all over, where US military leadership also mentioned that recruitment was becoming a problem. And later on, reading similar news on the internet as well. And I am very sure the situation hasn't gotten any better since.
Ah well, with Trump's tariffs policies the average US citizen will become so destitute, that the US obesity problems will fix themselves "automagically". And with heavily automated factories, there will be hardly any blue or white collar work anyway, so the US will soon have troops again who are happy to have a gig with 3 meals a day and a roof over their heads. And a possibility to be educated as well.
Survival rate of overseas troops is in that situation way less of a problem for military leadership too. For you 10 others after all.
Hail king Trump and his infinite wisdom!
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We shouldn't have any wounded anywhere in the world.
So yes, let's get out or Rammstein, then.
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They'll just move to Israel or whatever lackey is willing to suck off Trump
Re:As a european, go to hell (Score:4, Informative)
Ahh yes let's turn our backs on strong trading and military partners with a region of $20T GDP so we gain access to a singular trading partner with $2T GDP. Oh and people like you get to "feel better" about it.
"I am very intelligent"
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"It is better to own 100% of $100 than 10% of a million dollars"
Absolute control is the concept you are dealing with. The amounts do not matter, how absolute the control is, is what matters.
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Yeah and in a modern economy that's a stupid idea. Autarky is not possible nor is it good.
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Re:As a european, go to hell (Score:5, Insightful)
I know right all we got was the opportunity to rebuild Europe as liberal democracies and create the most successful military alliance in history which led to an unprecedented period of peace in the European region, stable trading partners who we have traded trillions of dollars with, 40+ American military bases letting us project power across the region and the world and got to be the hegemon during the period of the most intense human advancement since we spawned from apes.
But hey, well worth pissing that away because we didn't get enough gratitude, AKA, "foreign policy as a spoiled sweet 16 girl"
Re:As a european, go to hell (Score:5, Informative)
You'll take our free money for NATO though.
You don't give us money for NATO. You take it when we buy your weapons. Go fuck yourself with cruise missile.
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Stop posting on our website.
Why? You're offering it to me for free. Is this the same Trump level of thinking that says "here have something" only to afterwards complain "OMG they took the thing I offered, that's unfair".
Go cry yourself to sleep kid.
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You'll take our free money for NATO though.
You don't give us money for NATO. You take it when we buy your weapons. Go fuck yourself with cruise missile.
Trump doesn't understand relationships or negotiating. He criticizes the Europeans, alienates them, pulls back from Ukraine and NATO, but then comes declaring that the Europeans still need to buy American weapons. It's almost like he's trying to show that he can violate all the rules of salesmanship and still get the sale, but unfortunately pesky reality is standing in his way.
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Yes, America is now hell. You should pursue your own path, as the Nazi's like Karp and Thiel are working hard to make a dystopian future. America is their proof-of-concept.
Duuude, ... chill. (Score:2)
Disclaimer: European here.
There is a notable portion of USians who are aware of the actual reality of things in the world and I would argue that a subset of those make up 95%+ of those here on slashdot. Everyone knows that Team Trump and his band of l00ny ultra-libertarians and plutocrats is erratic at best and the US of A is feeling the results of that harder than most others. Cut them a bit of slack I would say.
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I am really tired of americans bullying europe into compliance. We don't want your products, we don't want your laws. Go to hell.
And you are pulling the same stupid shit. Not everyone follows the Trump moron, and I fail to see why Americans should be treated as a monolithic entity when Europeans should not. Perhaps you need a reminder that the best era of humanity was when individuals were treated as individuals and judged only by their own actions rather than as representatives of a nebulous population or landmass.
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America is a country. Europe is a continent with many countries. So, no, he's not doing the "same stupid thing" with that remark unless you're taking some bizarre read that implies he's talking about voters.
And... for what it's worth, America has voted for Trump now twice. The first time around people could be argued to have been fooled by a realty TV promoted huckster. The second time, not so much. The American system is going to be judged as likely to have these kinds of governments in future. That is the
If it makes you feel better (Score:2)
The NBA made him shut up or they would have fired him.
When Richard Nixon opened up China he sold it as a way to spread democracy. Hilariously and honestly completely expectedly instead they are spreading authoritarianism to us thanks to good old-fashioned capitalism.
Because when it comes to money it's always about authoritarianism because
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-Irony.
Parvenu (Score:2)
Ah, its a shame those new-rich americans don't have any style.
Fortunately we have our own rich people here in Europe. Take a look at the Wallenbergs for example. They helped build up Sweden for 3 generations. And I wish them all the best for their transition to their fourth generation.
A European
Arabian nights ... (Score:1)
Why would I listen to Palantir's CEO for anything? (Score:4, Insightful)
This just makes me think Europe must be doing something right.
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"I'll tell you who were good at engineering..." (Score:5, Insightful)
Beheading when? (Score:3)
He's pissed off at that privacy laws (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know about Europe but in America if we're going by the letter of the law every single one of these AI tools is violating copyright law. And doing it in the most flagrant way imaginable.
It doesn't even matter whether they apply a transformation or not they still have to store the data in their models and there's no getting away from that. Without the data they don't have a model to work off of. And public domain content is basically useless because here in America it's generally around 50 to 100 years old so it's not going to produce anything that looks or behaves modern enough.
On the other hand AI is potentially worth trillions in replaced workers so we are probably just going to rewrite our copyright laws to suit it.
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I don't know about Europe but in America if we're going by the letter of the law every single one of these AI tools is violating copyright law. And doing it in the most flagrant way imaginable.
Technically, copyright law relates to the reproduction and distribution of intellectual property, and creation of transformative works based thereupon, so it's not the training of the AI model that's violating copyright - only potentially, certain forms of output. You really have to think of it in terms of what would a human be allowed to do with the access to the same volume of IP and the ability to instantly recall it.
Of course, the copyright cabal is certainly going to argue for an interpretation of cop
Don't forget for (Score:1)
That to make sense you need to understand a little bit about American politics. Not much just a little.
So very very crooked Trump doesn't have enough votes in our lower chamber, the US House of Representatives, to cram through The 5 trillion dollars in tax cuts for billionaires he wants. There's a handful of Republican politicians that run on the deficit and they would lose their primary elections if they added 5 trillion to the national debt for anything let alone for tax cuts for billionaires.
So Trump is
The problem is as soon as you read the data (Score:3)
Or I would say that but our courts are completely corrupt so whoever has the most money wins and like I mentioned AI is worth trillions because of all the jobs it's
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> Your copying that data digitally any way you cut it.
This, very much this. This is the reason we have the DMCA. VCR and DVD vendors were paranoid they were going to get sued for making "extra copies" inside the machine blitting video to your screen. So they "compromised" by signing the DMCA into law and creating a whole different landscape of rights and criminal prosecution for research.
I expect the other foot to fall soon, especially here in the USA. There will be new legislation and it won't be he
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>It doesn't matter how real or fake AI is it's pushing the people in charge to stop hiring any of us. They're grinding everything to a halt.
It is only the latest thing to do so.
Funny that this is the only tech bubble that is accompanied by decreased employment, though. Although there *are* other massive factors at play as well.
The AI bubble is being inflated, but unlike the internet bubble the people aren't going along with it.
About that Saudi Arabian meritocracy.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Do women get to participate yet?
Or is meritocracy still only for the men over there?
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No, women are not worthy of merit in Middle Eastern countries.
They are only using half their human potential (and probably the less intelligent half).
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No, women are not worthy of merit in Middle Eastern countries. They are only using half their human potential (and probably the less intelligent half).
Not necessarily less intelligent; but most certainly less sensible, less practical, and less empathetic.
Meritocracy (Score:3)
Is that where the 10x engineers get paid 10x as much as their peers?
And the employee who survives a layoff and takes on more responsibilities gets paid more?
I think I would like to live in a country that's ruled by a meritocracy.
Re: Meritocracy (Score:3)
No no, you got it all wrong, itâ(TM)s where the people of merit (billionaires) get to stomp all over all the people who arenâ(TM)t worth anything.
he's just pissed off... (Score:3)
Because his company is going to be locked out of that market...
Saudi Arabia - Meritocracy? Patriotism? Death? (Score:1)
How awesome for an evil company CEO run by an evil magazine-destroying asshole talking about how great Saudi Arabia is.
In no particular order:
1. Women's right's nonexistent - yes.
2. Torturing and murdering Kashoggi - yes.
3. Sportwashing instead of behaving like civilized people - yes
If you want more than three bullet points, Google has you covered:
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
Danger, the USA. Danger! (Score:3)
Saudi Arabia and Qatar outsource most of the work to foreigners, which is why Palintir is so interested. But, for the lower ranks, this is closer to slaves building a pyramid than a career move that headlines their resume.
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"At an investment forum in Riyadh, Alex Karp" apparently flattered his Saudi hosts quite a bit.
The Saudis are lining up $billions to pour into AI. Maybe some of their engineers are good but it hardly matters. But the EU does appear to be falling behind;
"the report said that Europe has below 5% market share in areas like raw materials, cloud infrastructure, and supercomputers."
It will be hard to recover from that.
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