Was there really any doubt that Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon were full of it?

Here's a thorough debunk of their most infamous paper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXesBhYwdRo#t=2m00s

i.e. The one skeptics go crazy about how in emails, how other climate scientists said it shouldn't have even been published in the first place.

Doesn't this pricing figure make the assumption that physically making a paper magazine or newspaper costs $0.00?

Also I have no idea what he's talking about with Aerosols. Since that's largely constant.
http://greyfalcon.net/lean2005.png
http://greyfalcon.net/volcanic

Granted, SULFUR content in those aerosols has an influence. However if anything developed countries have drastically been cutting back on sulfur emissions. (5000ppm used to be the standard. Now it's down to less than 15ppm. Some places down to 5ppm in diesel)
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing.png

However then again, unmitigated air pollution also produces large quantities of O3 and NO3.

Also I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure sulfur molecules don't last very long in the troposphere.

Where as the CO2 and NO3 produced in parallel lasts for a long time.

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In a strange way, Chinese coal plants are actually keeping the climate cooler than it otherwise would be.

Well also it's just a difference in sheer volume.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing3.png

However methane is the big scary beast to look out for. But indirectly.

Main reason you have people with their hair on fire over all this isn't the gradual increase in temperature because of manmade actions.

It's because that has the potential to trigger the release of massive natural stockpiles of methane. Which would cause more warming. Then more methane stockpiles. Into a positive feedback death spiral.

In that way, you could look at CO2 as the fuse for a "Methane Bomb".
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=methane+bomb

Strange how all those temperature records, despite very slight variations, are all in agreement.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

Almost as if there was only 1 version of reality. (Or some worldwide CONSPIRACY!!!1)
http://greyfalcon.net/ideology.png

How much data would you prefer?
How about a couple billion years?

Although at that range, everything besides CO2 and changes in Orbit don't matter.

http://greyfalcon.net/climate2

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute certainty "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Because everyone knows that Orwellian conspiracy theories trump physics, in how we understand reality.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

For instance

Atmospheric temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/rsstemps2.png

Surface temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/globaltemps.png

All the temperature records compared.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

But I guess if you want to play games with surface temperatures. HadCRU said 1998 was warmer than 2005, by the tiniest fraction. GISS said 2005 was warmer than 1998 by the tiniest fraction.

Either way, 2010 is basically tied for the hottest it's ever been this past iceage.

Would you mind cutting it out with those science-free strawman arguments?

And I know exactly where you got them from, since that volcano bit is unique to that science-free documentrary.

Cliffnotes debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle3

Cross referenced list debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/climate

Line by line debunk (If you are some sort of sadist for detail)
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle

By all means.

That's UAH. That's not ground temperature data. That's atmosphere temperature data.

1998 in particular had a rather strong El Nino that year. And aside from having a large impact on ground temperature data, it had a huge effect on atmospheric temperature.

Despite that, El Nino events only last a fews months at a time. So trying to drag them out into some decades long "trend" would be the height of naivety or malevolence.

And considering the author of that graph is trying to make it look as flat as possible, seems they are trying to be "intentionally misleading" to me.

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Or I guess one might be talking about the slight difference between GISS and HadCRU for that year. (But that's not the case this year)

Well here for instance is a bit of understanding for that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTUuckNHgc

You have to look at the global TOTAL amount of heat. Rather than just "It's cold near me, therefore it must be cold everywhere"

Incidentally, long range climate understanding can't be explained without CO2 either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU

Not really.

Human civilizations only really started forming about 10,000 years ago.

Which is less than 1 iceage cycle.

And things weren't dramatically different over atleast the last 8 iceages.

We'd have to go back billions of years for that.

Since as is, we're already 1/3rd higher in CO2 than it's been in 8 iceage cycles.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5314592.stm